this history. if you look back, jimmy carter, for example, look at this, the '64 election, let's start with this. it's a great historic lesson tonight. in the '64 election with lyndon johnson, the last time the democrats got half the white vote, since then jimmy carter also a man of the south, he got 48% of the white. since then democrats have ranged from a low of 34% with mondale in '84 to a high of 44% with clinton in '96. barack obama got 43%. the second highest number since carter. this year he got 39% of the white vote, only slightly below the 40.6% share for democrats over the years. the democrats are running 2 out of 5 white votes. obama is very close to that with a particular skewing against him in the deep south. what do you make of it? >> well, i would just disagree with this idea that the gop is a regional party. if you look at all of those states, iowa, wisconsin, ohio, michigan, and pennsylvania, they were all -- had republican governors.